Sorry to hear this story Jason R.
And ditto to what Noah said. Shame on the actor-
Unless you gave this actor a producer credit, there should have been no reason for the festival to believe the actor was acting as an agent of the film (read: able to make deals, garner screenings, talk to distributors, etc.)
I work around this sort of thing happening by making it a firm policy to watermark all credit copies handed out to crew and cast, so no one has a 'screenable' copy, to act on anyone's behalf at festivals, markets and/or with distributors-
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12-22-2007, 07:04 AM | Festival Director |
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| Thanks for the feedback--
Thanks for the feedback, it really does help put things in perspective. Basically I would have let it slide completely (with some disappointment of course) if not for the fact that:
1) I specifically did outreach to the fest in advance to try to clarify and avoid this whole thing
2) it was a fest in my homestate where I'd hoped for a couple years to use the networking opp to pitch future projects and
3) I was just in the USA, at great effort and expense, from Asia (where I'm based) and had the fest even just INFORMED me, I could have changed my schedule to stick around for the screening.
4) I'd told actor specifically NOT to do anything other than refer folks to me so that I could pursue.
Am still trying to get at least a copy of the paperwork the actor submitted, which the fest has assured me it will provide, and which is in fest's interest to cover itself. And the artwork which was made for the movie which I've never laid eyes on...would be nice to see it at least. Maybe a marketable quote attendance figures, something else which I can use to offset the experience.
Anyway, when that stuff comes in, I'll duly note it here so that fest can be seen to be attempting in good faith to make up for it...
...we'll see what happens! __________________ J Rosette ~ CAMERADO Moviemaker * Producer * Director
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Yup ultimately this is a problem between you and the actor- the festival is a 3rd party to a communication and relationship gone awry. I.e. the tail wagging the dog...
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Well, actually and technically, Noah, the festival is responsible (exhibitor must must always confirm public performance permissions) although the actor clearly aggravataed the situation, and sloppy administration probably would have let something like this occur more easily.
But, based on the formal (legal) outreach I've done to date, the fest is ultimately responsible for properly vetting the films, liasing with filmmakers, etc.
It doesn't help the fest's cause either that 1) they never replied to me even when I tried to PREMPTIVELY contact them, well before the event and 2) they never even emailed me directly as filmmaker, as a matter of professional courtesy.
I also doesnt help the Sant Fe Fests' cause either that, to date, all our contact so far has been one sided (from me to them) in trying to straighten things out--I still haven't gotten a copy of the poster art they made, (which I havent even seen), attendance figures, a copy of the entry form the actor supposedly submitted ages ago. Nothing: sent them quite a few reminders too.
While I'm at it, I should mention again that I direct a fest out here in Asia called CamboFest...and to be honest, if I had made a mistake on the same scale as Santa Fe Fest did, I would have truend around all those materials ASAP, without leaving the filmmaker to hound me for them--really, that would be adding insult to injury. And other fest directors I've talked with concur that in a situation like this, the best ay for fest to create a remedy would be to provide those items as requested by filmlmaker, as soon as possible.
Noah, from what I recall you had a decent experience with them so I appreciate your weighing in, but in my view at least it's best for the sake of the forum to stay objective in determining what really happned, and who's culpable, so that folks can learn from it and try to avoid the same thing happening to them.
A weird coda to all this just occurred by the way: I came across one of the festival staff on my Facebook account, I just happneed to notice the guy had the same name (Stephen Rubin). Indeed, it turned out to be the same person when I inquired.
He'd signed onto my Facebook acct well before the whole unsavory festival incident took place
Anyway, I say it's weird considering that one reason the fest gave for not contacting me about the screening is that they said they didn't have my email address (easily Google-able in any case). It seems to me that the guy could have at least sent me a Facebook message saying, "hey, we'll be screening your movie".
Now that simple bit of outreach really would have made a big difference...
(Still waiting for the materials the fest said they'd send ages ago) __________________ J Rosette ~ CAMERADO Moviemaker * Producer * Director
BOOKWARS ("Terrific"- LA Times") 2000 CRISIS 2005 HOLLYWOOD BLACKOUT 2006 No SEX For SUSAN HERO ("An excellent achievement" - Sydney Underground Film Festival) 2007 CamboFest: Film and Video Festival of Cambodia Cambotube!: "The YouTube of Cambodia'
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From: | To: | Subject: | Headers: | Noah--
Yea, I appreciate anything that could result in some more positive outcome from the incident; it was not a WAB issue though, so I can't say (either way) how WAB getting involved would work towards a constructive result.
I must've drifted from my original inetntion; I haven't looked at my initial post in a while, but I thought I had been seeking perspectives from the WAB community regarding legal AND non-legal dimensions alike.
I'm not focussing on any legal dimension to be honest because, as you rightly point out, damages would be hard to demonstrate. PLUS, my gut tells me it's not an incident best approached in that way since, in reality, whether I'm right or not (and I do belive I am), not everyone at the fest may feel that way.
Anyway, I do feel that sharing the details of how this went down, for better or for worse, may be of interest to the community, which is why I brought it up...
I would welcome and consider your judgement as moderator of the board and as a fellow filmmaker in any case,
Hope all is well
Jason
Quoting Noah Kadner <noah@>:
Hi Jason-
I just wanted to follow up on your trouble with SF. My objectivity's not really the issue here. Yes as a filmmaker I had my feature play there a few years ago and it was a reasonably positive experience. That said, I have no reason to stand up for any one fest over another, a dispute is a dispute period.
But your original question was what legal avenues you have. I would say very little as you have no damages you can actually show. And I would say this for *any* festival that comes along on WAB, even yours. That you are understandably feeling hurt and violated doesn't translate into something I personally think is worth spending your hard-earned cash enumerating in a court of law. But that's just my opinion. You do what you want to do.
In the interests of being fair, I would be happy to contact the Santa Fe Festival folks directly if you'd like and see if I can move things along with getting your stuff back. I can tell you from my own experiences I don't think you'll be likely to get much in the way of audience data, they don't have the staff for that but the other stuff is more possible to get.
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| Let it go
Honestly, if you keep pursuing the idea of getting some sort of retribution from the festival, you're going to end up losing either way. Even if you do get some sort of fee and your materials back, you're gonna have the reputation of being difficult to work with. Festival directors talk to one another and word can spread pretty quickly. Yes, it sucks that it happened, but there's not a lot you can do about it.
It's best to focus on the future, on finishing the film and getting it out there to more festivals. I wouldn't waste my time on something like this. Your best bet is to try and turn it around to a positive by maybe having another local screening of the final print that is sponsored by the festival or done in conjunction with the festival.
If the actor submitted the paperwork and attested that he was the legal rights holder, I can't blame them for assuming that he was telling the truth. Festivals are usually non-profits staffed by either volunteers or part-time underpaid staff. I can't imagine that with all that goes into holding a festival that they have time or the money to legally vet each and every film that they screen.
I wouldn't be upset that you lost out on the networking opportunity. Santa Fe isn't exactly known as the Hollywood of the Southwest. Yeah, it would have been cool to meet other filmmakers. But I can't imagine it would make or break your career.
Filmmaking takes so much time and energy, you have to be pick your battles. Focus on moving forward and getting your work out there.
Noah--
Thanks for the effort, and I appreciate the respect for the integrity of the board; but, Noah, I do still disagree with you about the actor being purely responsible.
I'm also reasonably sure that you have a different persepctive than I have from all this--I'malso surprised at the ready contact and explanation Stephen has offered to you.
Given that you moderate a board on WAB, my sense is that you may have able to speak with Stephen more readily and get responsivelness from the fest that I never could: to wit, I've called from Cambodia a couple times, (left my contact # too: never a phone call) emailed many times, but never received any substantial result except that Stephen (not Jon Bowman, the director) told me again and again that they would send the materials--but have not.
Noah, I run a fest nearly single handedly. Now, that's limited staff. I'm sorry man, but if I had made a mistake as they had, I would have turned the materials around and tried to help the filmmaker as best I could withing 24 hours--not more than a month.
Anyway,the issue is more than just with the actor; here's why:
Even AFTER the actor contacted me, saying he'd done "some outreach" to folks from the Film Cafe, I went ahead and sent emails to the festival folks specifically trying to guess what might be happening (not my job, really) and asking very diplomatically to contact me--not the actor--regarding the screening, since
1) I am the copyright holder (not the actor) and, besides that, I very much wanted to be present
2) I had a newer cut of the movie which is the actual final cut
I never received bounced emails back from anyone, and I believe I was diligent about trying to be preemptive about making this mistake.
Now, here's something which I DIDN'T put on the board, out of due respect to the fest, but which the actor in question confirmed when I asked him what went down, what happened.
(I'm pretty sure Stephen Rubin didn't mention this to you?)
The Santa Fe Fest took great offense at a letter which I had written to the Governor only a short while before the festival. I'll include a link to that letter here, so you can judge for yourself if such a thing was worthy of slamming a filmmaker.
I'm not sure they even read the letter, which is why I ultimately sent it to the Santa Fe Fest a day ago so they could see it for themselves...but they were in any case pretty predisposed against me (for content of the letter which they seem to have basically taken great offense at) as Alan, the actor, mentioned to me when I asked him about how it all went down:
"Jason, I stuck my neck way out for you. They said "Oh, we know Jason very well. We know about the wrote a letter to the Governor."
SOME BACKGROUND: In the past, I'd written to the Governor's office about what I perceived to be shortcomings in the incentives for local NM filmmakers. New incentive programs were shortly introduced, but not before folks took issue with me not being a pure "cheerleader" for the NM film industry as it stood. I couldn't ethically do that, not when I perceived huge gaps in incentives for local NM filmmakers.
Anyway, following the (benign) letter I'd written to the Governor's office in October before the Fest, when I was trying any way I could to land a NM screening ** while I was still in the US **, the Fest staff apprently felt miffed for whatever reason and even mentioned the letter to Alan as a component of their dealings with any potential outreach from us. [Stephen never mentioned this, right?]
That's why they never replied to me when I attempted to pre-empt any accidental screening of the movie. I think they either misread my outreach to the Governor (not their business though, really) or didn't like that fact that I was vocal about changing things for local NM filmmakers.
(Hey, if you want though, call Stephen back and ask him why the Fest took offense to the letter I'd written to the Governor. Now I'd be curious to hear some info about that)
Anyway, take a look at the letter I wrote to the Governor, and decide for yourself if it's as controversial as they considered it to be before the screening "snafu" occured.
The link:
http://bloggeradocamerado.blogspot.com/
If you have a chance, it'd be cool to talk to you as well so that you could hearmy side of the story. My number is 855 012 194 2702
Noah, I know you have to tread a political line in what you do, but I'd at least ask you to consider the ethical dimensions here, beyond simply "the actor did it", or it being my burden because--frankly--I'm just an indie producer and not an established, wealthy NM festival.
Because there is more to it than that...whether it's acted on is, as you say though, a matter of expediency as well as determing what may be just or unjust.
But it is generally true that what goes around comes around, and I can say with a pure conscience that I never willfully screwed anyone over, nor do I intend to.
I'm sorry to hear about Stephen; but as cold as it may sound, this issue has been ongoing for a long time. Couldn't he have asked someone to send me artwork, attendance figures, and other materials in the past month this has been dragging on? I offered a NM contact of mine to help him as needed to get this done--remember, I'm not the bad guy here. (Right?)
If they had even just told me, emailed me, that the screening was taking place, I could have benefitted from it.
An email. An email, a Facebook message...."hey, we'll be screening your movie on --"
That's all it would have taken, and even assuming the actor was solely accountable, I don't see how this courtesy/necessity could not have been easily and effortlessly extended, which isa matter of course for any other festival I can think of.
Anyway, All The Best,
Jason
Quoting Noah Kadner <noah@>:
Jason-
I spoke with Stephen Rubin at the Santa Fe Film Festival. As I suggested, he feels this is an issue between you and your actor. The actor misrepresented his rights to show the film to them and they as most festivals do not have the time or the resources to research the truthfulness of every applicant. That said, Stephen is going to get the poster to you as soon as he recovers from surgery he recently had. Beyond that I would recommend you move on. The damage is done and as another poster on the board said, you need to pick your battles. This is one that pursuing further will probably lead to not much more than a bad reputation for you and your movie in the festival world.
As far as the WAB message board is concerned, we'll leave that thread up as an example of 'don't let others get a copy of your movie and submit it.' But if it veers down the path of bashing the SF film festival specifically, we'll likely need to close it, as they did nothing wrong in this case.
Best, Noah
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| Yea, I hear you--
Yea, I hear you; but to be honest, if a filmmaker I knew or heard of of underwent the same situation, yet handled it in a persistent, professional manner, I'd actually applaud that filmmaker despite [because of?] the culture of rumor that floats around such things.
I wouldn't consider that filmmaker difficult to work with...to the contrary (assuming filmmaker handled it in a reasonably pro manner) I'd respect that filmmaker's seriousness towards his/her work and probably take a greater interest in what s/he's doing.
I'm not sure I'd ever rule out a filmmaker for our festival, CamboFest, just because another festival director stated this person was difficult to work with. If it was a totally chronic, persistent thing, then maybe...but then again, look at Vincent Gallo...that guy's about as extreme as it gets, yet he can still make movies.
My own primary gripe (besides not being told of the screening--especially considering that I contacted the Santa Fe Fest fest more than a month in advance to try to avoid this very problem*) is that I'm the one who got the "diss" and the bungled screening, yet I'm also somehow being portrayed by some folks as the bad guy for trying to clarify why/how this happened--or for even bringing it up!
It's just daring to mention the problem makes the fimmaker "difficult"...I'm not sure I'd agree. Anyway, just my two cents as I wait to receive materials fest has said they'll send.
But thanks for all the input from WAB folks it is useful in "aligning" things and perspectives--
[*Just as an FYI, here's the email I sent to the festival folks more than a MONTH before the screening took place; as you can see I was trying to avoid the very problem that ended up happening. If this email seems unreasonable, nondiplomatic, or unclear, or if anyone honestly can read into it some sort of permission to screen the movie without letting me know, please tell me where I fell short--I'm serious, I don't want this to happen again!]
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Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:31:49 -0500 [10/21/2007 08:31:49 PM CST] From: J Rosette To: jbowXXX@santafefilmfestival.com, sruXXX@santafefilmfestival.com Subject: Hello, regarding (No Sex For) SUSAN HERO! Headers: Show All Headers Hello--
My name is Jason Rosette, I'm the director of a movie called (No Sex For) SUSAN HERO! [formerly titled SUSAN HERO--we added a new pre-title to it].
A colleague of mine, Dr Alan Rice (one of the actors) recently was in New Mexico and handed off a DVD screener of the movie for your consideration in a local New Mexico filmmaker showcase--I was living fulltime in NM for several years and was there when we developed and produced SUSAN HERO.
Anyway, thanks in advance for your consideration; we hope it might be able to screen at your event.
Just want to call your attention to a couple items: 1) the latest, final version of the movie may be slightly different (more polished) than the screener you have, although it's not significantly different, and 2) I am living and working in Asia these days on a variety of social issue projects, and I would very much like to be around if/when the movie is screened.
Can you please contact me rather than Alan, or at least in addition to Alan, with the status of the movie, ie, whether it will be screening, etc?
I'm actually in the US now and due to head back to Asia, and I would try my best in the event you wanted to screen SUSAN HERO, to be able to make an appearance in New Mexico if & when it were to screen.
Thanks, I can be reached at camerXXX@camerado.com or alternately at jroseXXX@gmail.com
Thanks again,
Jason Rosette __________________ J Rosette ~ CAMERADO Moviemaker * Producer * Director
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Quoting Noah Kadner <noah@>:
Wish I could be of more help but don't have the time and there's not a positive outcome I can get for you. What you want is to unscramble an egg- not gonna happen.
-Noah
Noah--
If you don't have the time definitely not wise to get involved: was worth a try though. In any case, it's not your deal (as mentioned before, I really didn't think it was to begin with, but...)
I appreciate the effort so far, but it's probably best though for me to deal with them directly anyway, since more folks in the way may just add to the confusion. Also, I can't help but think that a purely objective mediator would be best, and that's not clearly the case here.
As far as unscrambling the egg...well, that may be, but I still intend to enjoy some omlet (some remedy in the form of materials and content I'm trying to get from the fest, post facto), and it may still be useful for folks to see how this all went down...which is why I posted in the first place.
My only comment in wrapping things up though would be accurate to necessarily categorize this as just an "actor problem", since that--ironically--places all culpability on filmmakers in general to seek out, track, and enforce exhibition of their work* [see below] . At *minimum* this instance is an issue of festival admninistration's sloppiness, compounded by a third party.
At max, it's something a little more troubling, along the lines I mentioned to you already.
In any case, it would be a disservice to filmmakers in general (including those on WAB) even aside from this instance, to minimize the actual role and responsibilities of a fest in conducting itself properly re: these issues, because exhibitor must always secure proper permissions, period, and is responsible.
[By responsible I mean: If I come to your house and I sit down on a chair and break it, am I responsible? Yes. Even if it was an accident?--I am still responsible. Did I intend to break it? Who knows, maybe not. Am I responsible though, nontheless? Absolutely.]
Anyway, if you're not totally clear about rights issues, it might be worth reading up on it and/or asking around, because it is pretty much at the core of what WAB is involved with (exhibition via festivals)
It truly is the job and responsibility, no matter what the circumstances, of the fest/exhibitor to confirm public performance rights are in place...if, as you mentioned, a fest is too short staffed to handle some functions (like notifying the filmmaker--the point of all this filmmaking ultimately, right?) then it would seem to me that the fest/exhibitor should not be producing the event until they ARE adequately equipped to deal with these very fundamental issues.
In which case, maybe WAB should vet such fests in some way, at least WAB-partner fests?
Anyway, I won't post anything on the WAB board that is not based in fact (as I do, by the way, on all the other blogs and boards, ala, IMDB, Fest21.com, etc) and if/when I do so further it will still be in the spirit of something constructive.
Regards,
Jason
PS--Just to show I really went out of my way to 1) figure out on my own who might have had the movie and 2) track them down and do outreach to ensure proper communication would take place in case Santa Fe wanted to show the movie (still didn't though!), take a look below.
I think you'll see this is pretty damn diligent of filmmaker in terms of trying to clarify permissions rights and contact info to avoid anything like what took place (Note: email is dated well BEFORE Santa Fe Fest showed the movie)
If there's anything more a filmmaker could have reasonably done to sniff out and preempt a bungled screening of my work, I'd welcome your suggestions...
In light of this message, sent more than a month before the screening actually took place, I hope you can see why I was pissed that they didn't even at least TELL me the movie would be screening actor involvement/non-involvement issue aside.
PPS--Saw a DVD screener of your movie at Neal Stevens office in LA a while back. Whatever happened with it--TV sales, etc?
(anyway see below)
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Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:31:49 -0500 [10/21/2007 08:31:49 PM CST] From: J Rosette <camerado@camerado.com> To: jbowman@santafe.com, srubin@santafe Subject: Hello, regarding (No Sex For) SUSAN HERO! Headers: Show All Headers Hello--
My name is Jason Rosette, I'm the director of a movie called (No Sex For) SUSAN HERO! [formerly titled SUSAN HERO--we added a new pre-title to it].
A colleague of mine, Dr Alan Rice (one of the actors) recently was in New Mexico and handed off a DVD screener of the movie for your consideration in a local New Mexico /span> filmmaker showcase--I was living fulltime in NM for several years and was there when we developed and produced SUSAN HERO.
Anyway thanks in dvance for your consideration; we hope t might be able to screen at your event.
Just want to call your attention to a couple items: 1) the latest, final version of the movie may be slightly different (more polished) than the screener you have, although it's not significantly different, and 2) I am living and working in Asia these days on a variety of social issue projects, and I would very much like to be around if/when the movie is screened.
Can you please contact me rather than Alan, or at least in addition to Alan, with the ; status of the movie, ie, whether it will be screening, etc?
I'm actually in the US now and due to head back to Asia, and I would try my best in the event you wanted to screen SUSAN HERO, to be able to make an appearance in New Mexico if & when it were to screen.
Thanks, I can be reached at camerado@cam rado.com or alte nately at jrosette@gmail.com
Thanks again,
Jason Rosette
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Jason, now that we've seen what your message to the festival said, I don't really blame the festival. There's nothing in there that says, "Hey, my film was submitted without my consent -- and I want it withdrawn from consideration." In fact, you seem to mainly be wanting them to contact you because you'd like to attend. You even say, "Thanks for your consideration...." A reasonable person can take this e-mail as SUPPORTING your film's entry into this festival. I just don't see that you clearly and unambiguously said that your film was submitted without your permission and that is was not to be screened. Unless there was some other communication on the issue that I'm overlooking, I don't see how the festival is to blame. With as many communications as they must get about various films, I don't see that they can be held responsible for parsing the meaning of your e-mail in the way you apparently meant it to be taken. Without you being CLEAR about your issue, it doesn't seem that they had a responsibility to get in touch with you -- since you never alleged that the film was submitted without your approval. That's just the way I read it.
I'll again echo what everyone else seems to be saying: Let it go.  __________________ David McElroy http://www.davidmcelroy.org/ "We're the Government - and You're Not" A presentation of the U.S. Department of Homeland Propaganda "Dysfunctional Family Association" A comedy coming sometime in the next decade!
Here, I sent a message [private message on the WAB site which I can't access] to David explaining that, again, I had NO IDEA FOR SURE WHO HAD THE DVD. There's a huge difference in meaning in knowing that I was trying anything I could, including sendin out "blind" emails on pure hunches, to try to track down my movie while, at the same time, trying not to alienate potentially interested fest staff.
The message I sent out, as diplomatic and accomodating as it may have been, and which David incorrectly reads to mean that I knew exactly who had the DVD all along, was pure GUESSWORK.
Astonishingly, the actor (Dr. Alan Rice) would not tell me who he had provided the disc to, since he was concerned that I would pull the movie...it wasn't important to Alan that I wanted to see it play in person, my longtime goal and prerogative (and which I could have done had the fest even just informed me the movie would be playing) What was important was that he could attend the screening himself, in person which he did.
Unfortunately, and contrary to what could really have been more objective, fair, and impartial , Noah would not allow this point to be clarified; he simply shut the thread (hence my decision to clarify here)
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going to shutter this thread while I try to fix things behind the scenes.
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; Noah--
I understand you needed to close the thread, although I thought I should clarify and hope you can add, because currently the context of the last post doesn't accurately reflect on this situation:
...I sent that email (to Santa Fe) out as a GUESS. I sent the same email out to all the festival/movie folks who I suspected MIGHT have the DVD the actor gave them. I was basically "shotgunning" a emails around since the actor refused to tell me exactly who he'd given the disc to.
The way it reads now in the post is that I knew exactly who (the Santa Fe fest) had the DVD and I was basically approving them to screen it. As stated, I wasn't sure if that was the clearest way to do the outreach, but I had little choice. I didn't know who had the disc!
Basically, if the situation is to be examined at all, that would be an important point--otherwise, might as well delete the entire thread seems to me.
But, it's your board...
Anyway, the advice of the WAB board is taken to heart regarding moving on, looks like a doc I pitched out here is getting some financing. (BTW: my $ mainly comes from development communications these days, not much intersection between the indie film world and that one)
Best,
Jason
Let's leave it as is until the situation is resolved. Then we will amend with the resolution details. That way it still has the potential to be a useful thread to other users down the road.
Noah
Sounds OK to me; that would be my only remaining request, in all fairness (re: the "shotgun of emails") but even still, some important possibly useful points have been raised.
NOah--
I must head out now; but just as an FYI, because there are other stakeholders involved in the movie, we would ask, for technical reasons mainly, that you NOT be involved (we discussed this anyway though right?) in dealing with the fest to resolve the issue...
If you want to be involved in some way, best thing would be to encourage them to contact me directly, rather than take on a mediator role.
Thanks for your understanding,
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